M is not big on physical affection. I'm not sure if it's a truly desi thing, or if it's just an "M's family" thing, but he didn't get a lot of hugs growing up. He doesn't think he's hugged his parents since he was 6 or so. He's sure he hasn't hugged his mother or sister since he was about that age. Cross-gender physical affection just isn't the norm, and parental affection isn't really either. (Of course, I don't mean to generalize. Lots of desi families do things differently, and one of M's uncles is known as a big hugger to all his kids. Your desi family situation may vary!)
I remember the first time M and I hugged, he was shaking afterwards. He seemed to go on a physical affection spree after that, but now after 5 years of marriage, he's gotten back into his old rut, and it's a struggle to remind him that why yes, I do still enjoy a hug or a foot rub or a head pat.
In M's family it's the same way. No one hugs or kisses. When I'm in Pakistan it's rare to see and cross-gender physical affection of any kind. Husbands and wives do not hold hands. Even women on the back of motorcycles don't make physical contact with the (usually) male driver. Women hug and kiss each other on the cheek. Men touch other men - boys (even teenage boys and sometimes grown men) will put their arms around each other's shoulders and even hold hands. While I do think there is generally less physical affection across the board in Pakistani culture, the most striking thing is that the sources of physical affection are opposite to my culture. In America boys and men generally shy away from physical affection with other men at all costs.
All these observations aside, I have one funny anecdote. After we were married, my in-laws stayed with us in our tiny apartment for 52 days. M went to work as usual and it was my job to entertain them. We got quite close in that time. That was when I got my first head pats - when older Pakistanis want to show approval, or sometimes when they're saying hello or goodbye, they give you a nice pat on the head. It may sound strange, but it's actually quite nice. I got head pats for hellos and goodbyes, upon the completion of our nikah (wedding) documents, and also when some particularly good test results of mine came out. I became fairly adept at the whole bend-you-head-ever-so-slightly at the initiation of a head-pattable event.
I wouldn't want to say I was happy to see my in-laws at the airport about to board their plane home. I really had enjoyed their company and getting to know them, but I was also eager to settle into my new married life and spend some time alone with my new husband - without my in-laws somewhere else in our tiny, tiny, tiny one bedroom (which we gave to them and slept in the living room) apartment. But even though I was looking forward to this, I was still crying at the airport when they were leaving. What can I say, I'm very emotional. So I say goodbye to Ammi, hug hug, kiss kiss. And then, in my emotional haze, I hugged my father in law! I HUGGED HIM! He probably hadn't hugged another female other than his wife and his daughter (but only when she was young, probably!) and here I was attacking the man!
Luckily it was over in a quick second, and I've always been able to keep my wits about me since. But, still....embarrassing!
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i don't think lack of physical affection is a particularly pakistani trait. however, public displays of affection are generally not considered cool.
urdu-speaking mohajirs are frequently stereotyped by other pakistanis (particularly punjabis) for being overly formal, "sophisticated", unemotional, and lacking in spontaneity. coming from an urdu-speaking mohajir family myself i can attest that there is some truth to the stereotype. however, i do hug my ammi at every occasion i get.
Yes I was thinking exactly the same thing as was mentioned above, I actually find Pakistanis to be very affectionate, privately like Italians or something...it is the public display that is frowned upon...majorly frowned upon, but actually I think it varies from family to family. My own husband is very affectionate. My husband's family is very affectionate,too--- overly affectionate by my standard. They kiss ammi (my MIL) goodnight when they go off to bed! WEIRD! That is just too much for me (I'm like y'all are not little kids!!!), so I don't join in on this kiss ammi fest.
Hahaha and I was also thinking of that Hindustani mataroay vs. Panjabis cuz that IS exactly what they say about Hindustanis...it is like with white American people: Jews, Greeks, Italians, or the so called "ethnics" are affectionate and then you have the WASPs who are like cold fish according to stereotypes!!!
In Dubai, which is a very desi city, my husband will walk close to me and hold my hand in a mall (which makes ME uncomfortable) but he would never do that in a tradtional bazaar shopping area filled with more conservative type people. It is weird.
Kisses or full on embraces NEVER in public though!
This is interesting, I have some Pakistani friends and I know this thing as well, that the opposite gender don't touch each other in public. That's something one has to get used to, I guess.
Your blog seems interesting; from it's name I suppose you are a non- South Asian woman married to a guy from there?
I know there's a lot of variation by family, like I said I know lots of Pakistani families that seem a lot more affectionate than I'm used to. But I hadn't heard about the mohajir stereotype of being overly formal before - and M is mohajir, so thanks for the new info!
lolll! i have a SIL from pakistan who, when she first came to live with my afghan inlaws, freaked out because she didnt believe brothers and sisters should be hugging! she's the only one i'd really heard of doing this though, as another (afghan) sil married a pakistani and he's very openly affectionate.
Before I start, I'm not gay. I didn't knew something like that existed until I reached US. In my observation, people in US are pretty twisted, perverted. Their social norm is at two extremes; one - people of same sex don't touch each other, unless they're gay; two - people of opposite sex can do "everything" in public. I have seen people "doing" in beaches and swimming pools, in broad daylight.
In desi culture, arms-around-shoulder is a sign of dominance or seniority of one person over the other. The person with arms around the other is usually a dominant/senior one. (desi's call their friends "bhai" meaning brother). Holding hands is just a show of friendship. It doesn't go any farther than that.
To a desi, friendship is a serious relationship, like marriage. Its more than just "hanging out". Desi society judges a person by his friends. It goes as far as turning down a groom in marriages because his friends weren't good. Not just that, Parents hold friends accountable for anything bad that'll happens to their son. So, the first question would go to the friend - "How could you let this happen? I trusted you".
(Now in your case, I guess "T" tried something like that. If your in-laws had been more radical, I bet, your hubby's friends would have been grilled more than him)
From what I observed in US, (non-gay) white people have more same sex aversion than blacks. Probably because they get to spend most part of their youth switching sex partners and spend most part of their life thinking relationship works like a transaction (a benefactor and a beneficiary) or that relationship should be only "fun". Basic elements like loyalty, commitment never cross their mind until they're fed up with sex. For desis, it works in reverse.
Hope you got it. I'm an Indian and I assume I could speak for all desis.
I'm Pardesi Gori who used to comment at Sepia Mutiny but have been banned several times for speaking the truth about my experiences in India.
Anyway, in the part of India I live in there is ALOT of physical affection displayed between mothers and sons. Too much, in my opinion. It's as if the women don't get enough hugs and affection from their husbands so they use their sons as a surrogate.
And of course, where I live, there is not enough affection displayed between husband and wife (again, I say that's the reason why a desi mom hangs on her son so much and vice versa).
However, in the metros you will find an increasing amount of public displays of affection between husbands and wives or girlfriends and boyfriends in the form of hand holding. In Mumbai they even passionately kiss on the rocks that line the beach at night. Even I was SHOCKED to see that because where I come from nothing of the sort could be imagined.
In my area of India the hand holding between the same sex male friends sometimes crosses borders into holding more than just the hand and again, this is due to not having a sexual outlet in the form of a relationship with the opposite sex. But it is considered that all that will stop when they get married.
Living so long in India has killed my love life because I am conditioned to NOT be comfortable with public displays of affection with my partner even when I'm not in India!
Maybe I need to go back to India and find a small town dude who only shows love to ma?
The heck? You get the oddest commenters here...
Are you saying I'm odd or the behaviours I am reporting are odd?
Hey, I can't make this stuff up!
But don't hold me responsible for how other people choose to behave.
I'm just the medium for it's deliverance.
What a pervasive sick comment above! Makes me throw up. I'm seeing the same comment in another desi blog. Wonder if it's the same sick person or many DILs think that.
Lets see...
Two guys touching each other or showing affection must be gay
All mothers who love their sons aren't getting enough from their husbands
oh... along the same lines...
All women who are friendly with men other than their husband/boyfiends must be slut (What else can it be... she must certainly want to sleep with every one)
All fathers affectionate to their daughters must be incestuous
What else???
GoriWife - Sorry to turn your blog into a trash. Couldn't stand that comment.
i live in korea now, and it's the same here, but it's loosening up a bit. men hold hands with other men, and women with other women.
i think my pakistani guy was raised differently. he always gives me massages and says he used to massage his mother all the time. he's quite affectionate, unless we're in front of his pakistani friends...
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