What IS it with desis? It seems like no one is actively parenting their young children these days. Not that a lot of Americans are either. But there seems to be at least a parenting movement in America, or a new interest in parenting theories and books. Desi kids seem to be running amok everywhere - weddings, embassies, even the mosque! And no parents - not their own, not their grandparents, not even other parents - seem to be stopping them. It doesn't seem like anyone thinks these kids NEED to be stopped. Sometimes I've seen young children even encouraged to be hellions. Kids who are told "badmashi kero!" Once, when a 3-year old was banging on a glass table, I heard his grandfather said to him "Yeah! Break it, break it! We'll get a new table!"
But then there's also this great imposition on desi mothers. They often shoulder all of the parenting responsibilities. I've heard some desi men boast about having never changed a diaper. In fact, one ten year old niece of M's was surprised to see M change a diaper one day and asked me "Uncle M changes diapers?" I didn't ask her, but it seemed like she'd never seen that happen before. And then there's the sleep thing. Most of the mothers of young children in M's family take their kids to sleep, and they pat them until they're sleeping. Sometimes for an hour or more. And she's just stuck in the room, a slave to the patting.
Now, my kid is great. (All thanks to God.) He is well behaved and calm and quiet and the easiest kid to handle that you'll ever meet. He doesn't throw tantrums, is easily distracted and easily made happy. He eats well and he's not picky, and he sleeps well and falls asleep all by himself - no patting. He plays well with other kids and shares well, and he also plays well by himself. He just has the easiest, calmest temperament of any kid I've ever seen. (Alhumdililah!) I know that maybe ALL of that is just God's blessing, but I know that I have also educated myself on parenting issues so that I could help my son to become a good person, too. I read books about infant sleep before he was even born. I read books about childhood nutrition and the importance of schedules and consistency and father involvement. M and I have a game plan about what we think is the best way to parent our child(ren) and we stick to that ad are almost always on the same page. We are doing the best we can, and our son - I think - is evidence of that.
I don't mean to say that parents of kids who are picky eaters or don't sleep well AREN'T good parents or aren't trying their best - many times that are. I think kids are born with all different kids of temperaments and struggle with different aspects of childhood. Some kids seem to struggle with everything, in fact. And as long as a parent is making informed decisions, I don't care WHAT they're doing. But I think parents should educate themselves and that decisions parents make really do make a difference in your children and in their lives and can have lasting impact - both good and bad.
The only theory I have is that M's family doesn't seem to think there really IS anything called parenting. M's family will talk about how easy/good/sweet/whatever my son is, and then chalk it up to him being born that way. Which: maybe. To an extent. And then there are kids who I am related to who are not that way. They still refuse to feed themselves at SIX, or still drink from a bottle at three, or still cry about having to take a bath at seven, or scream at the top of their lungs at parties - and no one says anything or even tries to calm the kid down. The parents complain about it, and then this kind of behavior is explained away, and they're not really interested in finding any solutions, as if no solutions really exist.
It's like they think you can't do any good or bad one way or the other. Parents of difficult children get all sympathy, no judgment, and not even any suggestions, and parents of really well behaved children get none of the glory. These things are somehow thought of as intrinsic to the kid, and it's not like anything you're doing is making any difference. So it seems like a lot of desi parents aren't even trying.
Example: a woman relative of M's who we're pretty close to and see often. She complains about her daughter a lot, about how she won't eat except if she's forced to and even then, only if she's sitting in front of the TV with her favorite program on. Or how she refuses to sleep unless the mother sleeps right there next to her, and if she wakes up and the mother's left, throws a middle of the night tantrum. And then M - stupidly, I think - offers his suggestions. And it's all "hmms" and "theek hai" and the conversation just breaks down. It's like they don't even WANT to know there are alternative options out there?
M very negatively thinks that most desi parents are like this - that they someone check out of parenting until their children are adolescents and then they suddenly pull in the reigns. That until you reach a certain age you're allowed mostly freedom, but at some point a parent will expect near-perfection and hawkishly control an adolescent's life. I don' t know anything about that - my kid's just 2. That's the extent of my exposure to desi parenting.
Well, this ended up soudning more judgmental than I meant it to. I don't mean to pass judgment on other parents. I think we all have our own struggles, and some kids are more challenging than others. Mostly I meant to ask you about this "kid's nature is intrinsic" thing - do you guys know many desis who hold this ideology?
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Any parent who's an immigrant does/did this -my parents included.
It's basically what you said. They let them do whatever the hell they want as children, then, when they become teens -BAM- "Where are you going?" "Who are you hanging out with?" "I do not like those people"
You pull the leash in and sometimes, dump them at Sunday School to be raised as good muslims. Although by then it's already too late. Atleast that's their new version to adapt with 'Western' society.
Okay, I'm rambling, but many of them do say a kid's born with such and such a behavior but never control what the kids do. I know my mother never refused my older and younger brothers. And what happens? They become hellions who stared into the TV all day playing mindless video games. This kind of 'laid-back' parenting just becomes a cycle with each generation.
Ugh D:
ModestJuice, I don't know about your parents, but my parents (my family is an immigrant family) have always been strict with us, no matter at what age. You better believe that we would not have been allowed to yell or run amok at all. Although maybe that's because we are Russian, and the culture is very different.
Gori wife, it's great to read your blog. My fiance is Indian, and at times it can be more than a little scary! It's nice to see others have gone through this as well. :)
I have noticed this "jangli bache" phenomenon, too. But actually since I live in a very desi environment in Dubai, it is the opposite: people are judging MY parenting. For example, my daughter has a set bedtime, many kids here don't. People find it odd that my daughter actually sleeps when I put her down. I followed parenting books' and websites' advice (Western ones, I mean). My daughter is encouraged to feed herself. People here often hand feed their children, and even continue hand feeding them until they are even 4 or 5. They find it odd that my daughter is independent. Also, very few desis here use a car seat, I do. I am such a meany strapping her in! Why haven't I pierced my daughter's ears? I should try to cover her private parts when I change her diaper! I should do special desi massages on my newborn, etc. I could really go on and on with this list. I just remind myself that despite the sting I feel when they judge me and make comments, my way works for me, their way works for them. And about the jangli thing, domestic accidents happen in Euro-American families despite the fact that we are more controlling about "jangli" behaviors...and all the desi kids haven't electricuted themselves, been hit by cars, fallen off of the roof, etc. (God forbid!!!) even though they seem permissive. So it is just another way of doing things, I guess.
It is difficult to say how much of a kid's behaviour is based on his own personality versus parenting style. I have 4 kids and can say that my oldest two are 'well behaved' and won't get in trouble if they are on their own. But, my third kid seems to have a naughty gene- he just likes to fiddle with things and never thinks about the consequences of what he's doing.
But, I agree with you that children shouldn't have a free-for-all life without any set rules. When a relative complains about their child, saying that the child absolutely refuses to do x thing, I say "we create our own monsters".
Children can have fun and play around, but need to know when and where it is ok to behave like a little monkey. If we raise our kids with the phrase, "yes, raja" all the time without saying "no, raja"... then we'll end up with kids who do think they are kings in their houses.
Don't get me started on the lax parenting style of desis! I've complained about it for years! I had very definite ideas of how our children should be parented and it all worked well until the hubby was brain washed by his family. He's a major pushover when it comes to our daughters and I suffered for it. Since I've moved us to closer proximity to my family and enforced things like mealtimes, sleep, discipline it's worked wonders. His parents seriously undermined what we were trying to do.
Kudos to both you and your husband for being on the same page when it comes to what you want for your children!
umm I seriously don't think its a Desi thing. I've seen parents from plenty of other cultures who have the parenting styles u described. Many white families don't have set bedtimes, pat their kids to sleep, don't discipline their kids etc.
And I know plenty of Indian and Sri Lankan parents (including mine for that matter) who did have parenting styles that u advocate.
I think u've just met/related to people who act a certain way and are generalising "all desi's" ...this maybe true to your husband too.
We all judge according to our experiences right?
This post reminds me of another one of your posts...
http://thegoriwifelife.blogspot.com/2009/02/rambling-rant.html
There is no way u know the lifestyle choices of ALL people in the sub continent and can generalise this way.
Dugi - I certainly don't mean to generalize; I know there are lots of crappy parents everywhere in the world. The "is this a desi thing?" was a question about the theory I posit; the part that "It's like they think you can't do any good or bad one way or the other." That's something I've heard rampantly when talking to M's family - that kids are the way they are. If they eat poorly or throw tantrums, that's just the way they are and nothing you do can help it. Or conversely; that nothing I've done regarding how I raise my son has actually MADE him a good kid; I was just lucky that he was born that way. I think this might be a widespread belief at least among M's family - that a child's temperament cannot be changed until they are out of childhood, so why bother reading all these parenting books>
GoriWife,
I understand how frustrating that would be. There is an ingrained belief in fate/"he's born like that"/ "it's written on his head"/"its God's will" etc.
I agree with u on that.
Those are great excuses for everything...especially for those being very rich and living among the very poor in total contentment in Desi nations.
ahh.
GoriWife: I stumbled on this blog searching for a meaning of "phoopa".(Hindi isn't my mother tongue.) nice blogs . Very interesting to read how others feel about an alien culture. I'm Indian met a British man (looking to marry an Indian girl/Woman) on an Indian marriage web site and married him. But, the parenting? Mmmm may be you are really generalizing. B'se I have known some white parents whose 8yr old sleeps in the parents bed room and is taken into his/her b/room while asleep. But, may be this is going to help, especially a male child, to grow up with assurance and no insecurity feeling, which in later life even leads to depression or inferiority feeling. The proof is in the pudding. Ofcourse children should be guided, nudged a bit of discipline. the parents must take an informed choice and decision. Each child is different and parenting also should suit. none needs to be judged . What works for one doesn't necessarily have to work for others. I'm glad to see you appreciate that parents of badly behaved/picky eaters children are not good parents.
Great blog! As a new American convert to Islam, married to an Arab man, I'm finding lots to relate to regarding the joys and struggles of an intercultural marriage :) I'm just wondering if you could list some of the parenting books or practices that you've found most helpful? We're hoping to start a family soon, InshaAllah, and I want to get started reading! Thanks
what is jangli bache?
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